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message 1: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (last edited Dec 24, 2018 09:37AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee won the poll to be January's book pick.

http://gsbyvalentinoschoolwear.co.uk/poll/show/1...

This will be the 3rd book we've read from a transgender author.

The Kindle ebook of Ninefox Gambit is currently on sale in most regions. So get it quick before it goes up.

The other books in the series are also on sale.


message 2: by Rob, Roberator (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rob (robzak) | 5267 comments Mod
I was going to re-purpose the voting thread into an announcement thread, but this works too I guess.

This is what happens when I go to sleep while a vote ends :-D


Robert Lee (harlock415) | 154 comments I read this earlier this year. The Martian Chronicles is now like the Susan Lucci of Sword and Laser polling. On the plus side. I don't need to read Ninefox Gambit again.


Mark (mmtz) | 1027 comments Here's the author's hexarchate faction cheat sheet, with links to more faction data at Tor.com

http://www.yoonhalee.com/?p=836


Mark (mmtz) | 1027 comments There is some fan art at DeviantArt

http://www.deviantart.com/sfolse/art...
http://www.deviantart.com/tag/ninefo...

and Yoon Ha Lee likes to draw and has an account at DeviantArt

http://www.deviantart.com/maratai


Joe Informatico (joeinformatico) | 871 comments Good news! The Kindle edition of this book and the other two in the Machineries of Empire trilogy are currently on sale for less than $1/£1/€1 each! (Checked Amazon.com, .ca, .co.uk, and .de around 0930 EST)


message 7: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
Rob wrote: "This is what happens when I go to sleep while a vote ends :-D"

You snooze, you lose ;-)

I assumed it was the middle of the night for you.

Robert wrote: "I read this earlier this year. The Martian Chronicles is now like the Susan Lucci of Sword and Laser polling. "

Susan eventually won.

It's more like the 'Peter O'Toole' of voting (8 times 'Best Actor' Oscar nominee. Never won)

I guess Tom will just have use his dictatorial powers to just pick it

Mark wrote: "Here's the author's hexarchate faction cheat sheet, with links to more faction data at Tor.com"

Thanks they look like they could be handy for this book.

It looks like he has kept it, relatively, spoiler free


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Stephen Richter (StephenofLongBeach) | 923 comments I am happy as I have the book for a while and need to finally get around to it.


message 9: by Rob, Roberator (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rob (robzak) | 5267 comments Mod
Tassie Dave wrote: "Rob wrote: "This is what happens when I go to sleep while a vote ends :-D"

You snooze, you lose ;-)

I assumed it was the middle of the night for you."


Yeah, it was about 3am here..


Fresno Bob | 474 comments read it, enjoyed it, expect to hear much complaining about it!

will reread, as prep for reading the sequel


message 11: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
Fresno Bob wrote: "expect to hear much complaining about it!"

You could say that about most books we read ;-)


Silvana (silvaubrey) | 992 comments If you want to know which faction you are:

http://www.solarisbooks.com/post/2065

Liozh faction, represent!

Fresno Bob wrote: "read it, enjoyed it, expect to hear much complaining about it!
"


LOL same


Trike | 4913 comments Silvana wrote: "If you want to know which faction you are:

http://www.solarisbooks.com/post/2065

Liozh faction, represent!"


Same. Long live the heretics of self-determination and equality.


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Phil | 1023 comments Silvana wrote: "If you want to know which faction you are:

http://www.solarisbooks.com/post/2065

Liozh faction, represent!"


Apparently I'm Liozh too. The description seemed to fit with my own self image. It will be interesting to read with that in mind.


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Mark (mmtz) | 1027 comments Weird quiz. Kel.


Fresno Bob | 474 comments Mark wrote: "Weird quiz. Kel."

Kel as well here


message 17: by Rick (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rick | 2193 comments Liozh. Fits....


message 18: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
Mark wrote: "Weird quiz. Kel."

None of the answers are what I'd have chosen if given a free choice :-?

Liozh


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Raucous | 20 comments I needed a "none of the above" or "huh?" for some of those quiz questions.

Rahal


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Mimi (1stavenue) | 11 comments Tassie Dave wrote: "Mark wrote: "Weird quiz. Kel."

None of the answers are what I'd have chosen if given a free choice :-?

Liozh"


Liozh here as well and I have no idea what it means, but I'm looking forward to finding out.

Another interesting term I keep seeing is Hexarchate. Might jump the gun and start reading this book early before the hype gets to me.


Joseph | 1899 comments I read the first two books & really liked them. Maybe I should try to fit #3 into January.

(I'm a sucker for things with evocative names like "Fortress of Scattered Needles", which these books have in spades.)


Trike | 4913 comments The spaceship names from Ninefox Gambit (yes, I keep lists):

Auspicious Glass
Autumn Flute
Coiled Stone
Essential Verses
Forever Minus A Day
Higher Higher Highest
One Card Too Lucky
Red Stitch
Simplicity Eye
Six Spires Standing
Six Sticks Standing
Spectrum Fallacy
Spiders and Scars
Starvation Hound
Trading In Solstice
Unenclosed by Fear
Ungentle Paragon
Unspoken Law


Silvana (silvaubrey) | 992 comments Trike wrote: "The spaceship names from Ninefox Gambit (yes, I keep lists):

Auspicious Glass
Autumn Flute
Coiled Stone
Essential Verses
Forever Minus A Day
Higher Higher Highest
One Card Too Lucky
Red Stitch
Sim..."


I love those names.....

Can't wait for the next book Hexarchate Stories


Jessica (J-Boo) | 207 comments For anyone interested in my review of this book: my review


AndrewP (AndrewCa) | 2184 comments Mark wrote: "Here's the author's hexarchate faction cheat sheet, with links to more faction data at Tor.com

http://www.yoonhalee.com/?p=836"


That makes it sound like it's a collectible card or a video game rather than a book.


Colin Forbes (colinforbes) | 264 comments Yay! Read this. Loved it. Excited to see what the group makes of it.


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Ruth | 298 comments Colin wrote: "Yay! Read this. Loved it. Excited to see what the group makes of it."

I too have already read this and am excited to see what the group makes of it... but I didn't love it. I found it frustrating. Lots of pretty words slapped together but very little substance. It will be very interesting to see what others think!


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Mary (MaryBeougherAuthor) | 17 comments I read some reviews and saw a lot of comparisons to Ancillary Justice, which I could not finish to save my life, so I’m gonna pass this month since I already have plenty of other books on my TBR for January. I’m looking forward to reading the discussions though. I always find them enjoyable, even if I’m not reading along.


Trike | 4913 comments Mary wrote: "I read some reviews and saw a lot of comparisons to Ancillary Justice, which I could not finish to save my life, so I’m gonna pass this month since I already have plenty of other books on my TBR fo..."

I thought Ninefox Gambit was similar to Ancillary Justice in effect but not in style or story.

My slightly-spoilery review explains further: http://gsbyvalentinoschoolwear.co.uk/review/show...


message 30: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
There is a lot of hand-wavery technology.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. doesn't apply to this book. This is based on pure magic.

The best review I read of this suggests that it is more like an epic fantasy novel

Imagine that the evil wizards have taken over the castle and lain a horrible curse upon all the land. Our heroes must band together to retake the castle, vanquish the wizards and lift the curse.

The interaction between Cheris and Jedao is what makes this book enjoyable. The action scenes can become a bit hard to understand due to the complicated magic/physics rules.


Julie (RadiantPages) (radiantpages) | 54 comments I really do not have a good grasp of the “magic system” (for lack of a better science fiction term), and I agree that the highlight so far has been Cheris and Jedao.


message 32: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
80% in I still haven't got a grasp of the "magic" system. I've decided to just go with it and assume it just works.

Even though I'd only rate it about a 3 star book, It is the best book I've read this year.


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John (Nevets) Nevets (Nevets) | 994 comments That's no fair, you're from the future! I'm sure where you're at 2019 is a wondrous place full of magic and mystery.


message 34: by Rob, Roberator (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rob (robzak) | 5267 comments Mod
Tassie Dave wrote: "80% in I still haven't got a grasp of the "magic" system. I've decided to just go with it and assume it just works."

That's basically how I treated it, and I ended up enjoying it a lot more once I did.


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Mark (mmtz) | 1027 comments Tassie Dave wrote: "80% in I still haven't got a grasp of the "magic" system. I've decided to just go with it and assume it just works."

This strategy works for all three books because the characters are the story.


message 36: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (last edited Jan 01, 2019 01:03AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
Priority: Low
From: Heptarch Liozh Dave
To: Hexarch Kel Nevets

Calendrical Minutiae: Year of the Fatted Wombat. Month of the Platypus. Day of the Echidna. Why the monotreme theme guys?

Here we use a heretical calendar where by mass consensus we have decided it's 2019. The future is a bit of a let down. Still no hover boards or flying cars.

yours in calendrical heresy
TD


message 37: by Rob, Roberator (last edited Jan 01, 2019 12:09AM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Rob (robzak) | 5267 comments Mod
According to XKCD the world hit consensus 2019 at 1830PM UTC




message 38: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (last edited Jan 01, 2019 01:02AM) (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
So the world hit consensus without the US :-?


description


;-)


message 39: by AndrewP (last edited Jan 01, 2019 12:59AM) (new) - rated it 1 star

AndrewP (AndrewCa) | 2184 comments According this mornings news in the USA.. more than a billion people worldwide watch the new year ball drop in Times Square. That must mean there are a billion people west of New York right?


Adelaide Blair | 100 comments I enjoyed all three books in this series, but the second was the best for me. The first is a little opaque and the third wraps up a little neatly for my tastes. Raven Stratagem is a great story well told.


Trike | 4913 comments AndrewP wrote: "According this mornings news in the USA.. more than a billion people worldwide watch the new year ball drop in Times Square. That must mean there are a billion people west of New York right?"

Everyone is west of New York... if NYC is your start point.


Silvana (silvaubrey) | 992 comments Tassie Dave wrote: "Priority: Low
From: Heptarch Liozh Dave
To: Hexarch Kel Nevets

Calendrical Minutiae: Year of the Fatted Wombat. Month of the Platypus. Day of the Echidna. Why the monotreme theme guys?

Here we us..."


*snort*


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Rick | 2193 comments Tassie Dave wrote: "Priority: Low
From: Heptarch Liozh Dave
To: Hexarch Kel Nevets

Calendrical Minutiae: Year of the Fatted Wombat. Month of the Platypus. Day of the Echidna. Why the monotreme theme guys?

Here we us..."



Love it.

As for the system in the book, I thought of it this way... this is another universe where physical laws are affected by mass belief. Said beliefs are created and structured according to well defined rituals executed at the right time on a calendar.

If reality is driven by mass belief and you have a reality that you want to preserve, then any break in or change of the calendar at the rituals therein are a fundamental threat.

That's all, really. If you want to call it magic, fine, though I wouldn't. I just think of it as alt-science. It's obviously not our science but it doesn't feel like magic either because it doesn't draw on supernatural elements.


Robert Lee (harlock415) | 154 comments Ruth wrote: "Colin wrote: "Yay! Read this. Loved it. Excited to see what the group makes of it."

I too have already read this and am excited to see what the group makes of it... but I didn't love it. I found i..."


Me too. Plus I hate math.


message 45: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
Robert wrote: "Me too. Plus I hate math."

People don't, literally, hate maths ;-)

They may hate the way they learned it or being made to solve complex problems may have hurt their brain, But you can't hate the whole field of mathematics.

Without maths your computer doesn't work. We can't send rockets into space. Our society doesn't function. You don't make money.

I loved maths. I even did 2 optional maths classes in High School because I couldn't get enough of it.

Maths f...in rocks :-)


Trike | 4913 comments Why does the Empire pluralize math? I’ve never found an answer beyond “mathematics is plural, so maths is plural.” Except “mathematics” is singular. It has an S due to the awkwardness of translating Latin to English.

I once read that Brits used “math” until about WWI when they switched to “maths”, but whatever book I read didn’t say *why* that happened. Using “math” for nearly 500 years and switching to “maths” a century ago seems peculiar enough to have warranted some investigation, I would think.


message 47: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
Trike wrote: "Why does the Empire British Commonwealth pluralise maths? "

The Empire is dead.

Maths sounds better, but I would say that ;-)

I like the little quirks in our shared language. Neither is better or more right or wrong. The US spelling in a lot of cases is the older version and it's the British who changed.

Some are quaint. Cheque is so much more elegant than check
Though Gaol looks clunkier than Jail

Bill Bryson (An American living in the UK) wrote a brilliant book looking at the English language and how it has evolved around the world.
The Mother Tongue: English and How It Got That Way


Adrian | 30 comments I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask a question related to Ninefox Gambit but, here goes...
I'm an hour into the audiobook (roughly 11 hours long) and I feel like I have no idea what's happening and I have nearly lost all interest. Is it worth proceeding with the rest of the book?


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Jenny (JennyC89) | 116 comments I'm totally lost in the first chapter and I'm not enjoying it at all, so I'm moving on to another book. I'm glad a lot of you like it, I suppose it's hard for me to follow.


message 50: by Tassie Dave, S&L Historian (new) - rated it 3 stars

Tassie Dave | 2338 comments Mod
I don't think anyone wouldn't be lost in Chapter 1.

I would at least give it until Cheris and Jedao meet. Which is very early on. Their interactions are the high points of the book.


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